What Do Mormons Taste Like? – Cardinal Dolan – Archbishop Niederauer

"Mormon Broker" Niederauer

"American Pope" Dolan

Mormons in Secret Merger Talks with Catholics

PROVO, Utah -- The fight to defend moral principles is linking Mormons and Catholics like never before.

"In recent years, Catholics and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have stood more frequently side by side in the public square to defend human life and dignity," Francis Cardinal George told nearly 12,000 students, faculty and community members gathered Tuesday at BYU.

"I'm personally grateful that after 180 years of living mostly apart from one another, Catholics and Latter-day Saints have begun to see each other as trustworthy partners in defense of shared moral principles." --- Cardinal George, President of USCCB, Feb 24, 2010

The very gay marriage between the male rulers of  the American Roman Catholic Church and the male leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a secret marriage as of this moment.

But on a timeline, the official merger of Catholic and Mormon Mutual Self Interests in America is about on schedule.

The former Catholic bishop of Salt Lake City George Niederauer sent out a money help call to his friends in the Mormons mostly, but definitely elites only, Country Club in Salt Lake City in early 2008.  He needed the cash to fund Prop 8 on the November 2008 ballot to deny the civil rights of Marriage Equality for Gays.

Like why gives Gays rights like marriage when celibate priests are (?) trapped in unmarried celibate hell?

The Mormons gave Niederauer a “we’ll think about it”.  Nothing much might have come of a Catholic Bishop begging for chump change in his current hate campaign against the gays except that in April 2008 all hell heck broke out in Temple Square, regarding the arrests of break-away Mormons practicing the “P” word (polygamy) at the Zion Ranch in Texas.

      

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The Mormon elites talked it over at the Country Club and decided that giving Niederauer the scratch to attack the gays would keep the media off the child rape forced marriage polygamy thing.  Besides the Catholics in charge know and appreciate the finer details of the bible and the modern secular misinterpretation of child rape and have hundreds of lawyers and PR people on retainer to deal with such things. Giving the Catholics the money to attack the Gays will be a good thing to offset this unpleasant Mormon thing in Texas.

Makes sense. To me at least. And I am a believer that the timeline in history is a better neutral interpreter of historical events than the mere opinion of scholars.

Prop 8 was a success.  Bigger plans and elections to sway, fix and change America back to the good old simplistic days of “Leave It To Beaver” Mormon American Morality. Whatever.

Public display of warmth between two hostile to each other, in the past, groups was necessary.  And who better to seal and private deals than with a Cardinal, president at the time of the whole bishop boys union, the USCCB.

Cardinal George also addressed the opposition that Catholics and Mormons have faced for their joint advocacy of human rights and dignity, citing the response from Proposition 8 opponents in California as an example.

“What I most regret is not the opposition, that is understandable ... And those of us who have gay people in their family as I have, know the anxieties and the conflicts in their own life. And we have to be there for them and love them and support them.”

But when Prop. 8 opponents “respond by thuggery, by quasi-fascist tactics, then the common good, our whole society, stands in great jeopardy,” Cardinal George said.

Opposition to the efforts of Catholics and LDS members should be expected, he added. “But despite that, if we stay together and go forward, … if we simply continue to talk together, (it) will in the end bear much fruit.”

Which leads us on the timeline to August 30, 2012 when Cardinal Timmy Dolan, Archbishop of New York City, President of the USCCB, “the American Pope” is led into Mitt Romney’s hotel suite in Tampa, full of Mormons, elites and relatives, and Cardinal Dolan does the obligatory bow to the next president of the United States and Dolan kisses Mitt’s wedding ring in Italian Roman, “our thing” respect.

Which leads to the opening question.  Tim, what do Mormons taste like? Their ring fingers at least?

Timmy has to protect his church’s tax free status after having drooled over his boy Ryan and bowed to the Man Mitt. Off to Charlotte and the Dem Convention for the minimum sake of pastoral appearances.

BTW, I am not all that interested in knowing what Barry’s butt tastes like since Dolan will be kissing an awful lot of Democratic butts this coming week in Charlotte with his Janus faced smile after his one real performance in Tampa this past week.

The Catholic Temple - Salt Lake City

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George Lopez Comments on Romney’s Denial of his Latino Roots

George Lopez - Not afraid to call a puto a Puto.

Comedian and actor George Lopez pulls no punches about Mitt Romney’s denial of his Chicano Roots.

(warning: “f” bomb used on video in article)

George Lopez: 'Mitt Romney Is a F--king Latino and He Won't Admit It'

GEORGE LOPEZ: Mitt Romney wants the Latino vote. He ain't going to get it. He ain't going to get it. And you know why? Because Mitt Romney is a f--king Latino and he won't admit it. His father was born in Chihuahua, Mexico. Mitt Romney is a Chicano. But he won’t admit it. “I am not. I am Danish. I am French.”

If you want our vote puto, come out of the closet. Get a hair net and lean back and say ole…His father, his grandfather went to Mexico to create a Mormon colony. That don't sit good with Mexicans when you want six wives to get twelve kids. F--king Latinos can have one wife and get twelve kids. Don't f--king cheat.

Mitt Romney - Mormon Hate Money - Polygamy

http://paper-bird.net/2012/01/26/mitt-money-mormons-class/

Among the revelations stemming from Willard Mitt Romney’s tax returns – now being combed with the exigetical intensity usually given to sacred texts – are his contributions to homophobia. Most directly, his family foundation gave $35,000 to two “pro-family,” anti-gay groups. For Mitt, of course, that’s nothing. But he also tithes — gives at least 1/10 of his income to his institutional religion, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints; in the last two years, that amounted to more than $4 million. 

The Mormons, in turn, are big funders of the homophobes. Mike Signorile says, “The church itself gave over $180,000 to help pass Prop 8 [the 2008 anti-same-sex-marriage referendum in California]. The church was fined by the California Fair Political Practices Commission for not reporting its numerous financial contributions to the cause.” The Mormons also have a network of small, strange NGOS, circling around a few post office boxes in Arizona, that carry on similar struggles at the United Nations.

It seems to me this opposition has a large component of sour grapes.   Deep in the Church festers a feeling of: If we didn’t get to redefine marriage, why should you?

In Memoriam Brigham Young
Marriage Equality - Mormon Style

Where is Mitt Romney’s Birth Certificate? - and his Claim to Mexican Citizenship

Everybody is too nice and PC about Mitt Romney and his grandfather and half a dozen grandmothers, one of which gave birth to his father, George Romney in 1907 in Mexico in a Mormon Polygamy Colony south of the border. If Mitt’s father was born in Mexico, the former Michigan governor and Secretary of HUD under Nixon, had claim to Mexican Citizenship.

Where was Mitt Romney born? Where is his birth certificate? Why is he hiding it and the names of his perhaps many stepmoms?

http://now.msn.com/now/0322-romney-vs-birthers.aspx

No, you read that right. You might think birthers are crazy conspiracy theorists, but you can't say they're inconsistent. The fringe group of politicians and concerned voters who have long dogged President Obama for "proof" that he is a natural born citizen are now targeting Mitt Romney. They demand that the California Secretary of State produce evidence that Mitt is eligible to run for president. One birther explains that Romney's citizenship is up for debate because his dad was born in Mexico. Thats right, Mitt Romney's father was born in the Mexican colony that Mitt's great-grandfather founded after fleeing the United States so he could stay married to Romney's four great-grandmothers. Let's all just let that sink in for a moment.

Mormons like Romney like sending secret contributions to the NOM, National Organization of Marriage, to put down gay marriage as bizarre.

That from a Mormon Polygamist family member is quite bizarre of and by itself?


How many wives does Romney keep in all those 15 mansions he owns nationwide?

If Ann Romney becomes first lady, what do we call all of Mitt's other wives?

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LDS Church Members help pass Toxic Immigration Law in Arizona

Arizona’s new hate law against brown skinned people got passed in the Legislature with the help of LDS church members, five percent of the population and seventeen percent of the legislature as of 2004 (can’t find recent stats - they haven't gone anywhere).

Arizona - where there is no Polygamy is a Crime Law – it is in essence legal to practice LDS’s wink, nod, not so secret multiple marriage dogma there.

Arizona is the state that now can ask anybody for identification and throw you into jail if you cannot produce it. Of course, the cops will not ask a white Mormon with his twenty wives and eighty children if he can identify himself as a law breaking illegal immigrant. Get real.

Jan Brewer, Arizona’s current cracker governor, who wants re-election is willing to turn an already horrible state full of toxic anti-labor laws into a more inhumane place to live and work.

The Country Club C*nts like Senator Kyl and Senator McCain who run Arizona in the Senate only for rich people, have helped set Arizona into a permanent backwater serfdom environment for decades, allowing illegal immigration to flourish to hold down wages to Minimum Wages across the state.

Check out the people cleaning McCain’s or his wife’s many mansions or landscaping and ask those brown people there if they can pull out non-forged identity.

Now that the economy has gone south, the CCC’s don’t want to raise taxes to pay for the poor in the state, the majority of which are probably illegal. Tough Shit poor brown people. We don’t need you now. Go home. Come back when the economy improves etc.

Whatever.

Confused Sexuality - Archdiocese of Denver

The DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) said two things. It says that no state had to recognize marriages recognized in other states. It also went on say that the federal government, inside the beltway that is, defines marriage as between a man and a woman. That was 1996 and Clinton signed it because the polls said it was what prevailing opinion was at that time.

There no is DORA (Defense of Religion Act) whereby tax free religions can discriminate against a pre-school aged child from enrollment in Sacred Heart of Jesus Catholic school in Boulder Colorado. The child has two lesbian parents.

Last week the school singled out the child and told the parents that the child could not attend the school next year once the sexual disposition of parenting was discovered. No other parents must pass a morality test as to adultery, single parenthood with child out of wedlock etc.

Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver, a signer of the Manhattan Declaration, proudly enforces this discriminatory policy. Some of us are no doubt more equal in God’s eyes than others.

Groups protest decision not to re-enroll child of lesbians

Gay and lesbian groups are attacking a decision by the archdiocese of Denver, Colorado, not to re-enroll a child in a Catholic school in Boulder, Colorado, next year because the child's parents are lesbians.

The issue centers on the Sacred Heart of Jesus School, where the pre-schooler is currently enrolled.

"The Archdiocese of Denver has acted very unjustly in singling out this child for exclusion," said DignityUSA Executive Director Marianne Duddy-Burke in a written statement Monday.

"Until every student's parents are tested on Catholic teaching, this action by Catholic officials cannot be understood as anything other than discrimination on the back of a child. At a tender age, this child has learned that Catholic officials are willing to inflict pain on children and families."…

"To allow children in these circumstances to continue in our school would be a cause of confusion for the student in that what they are being taught in school conflicts with what they experience in the home.

I think the key word here is “confusion”. I do not think that a child would be confused by the reality of having two presumably loving parents. The confusion would no doubt come when the child would realize the hypocrisy and Confusion of Sexuality and Confusion of all things Sexual which is the present day hallmark of the Roman Catholic Church.

Sacred Tradition since 1968 and the Confused Encyclical Humanae Vitae about sexuality and birth control sets the tone of these social issues spilling into the public domain to this day.

Morning Joe Scarborough said it best, that these social issues such as abortion and gay marriage are an obsession and have crowded the airwaves and political agendas at the expense of needed real government actions in unemployment, jobs, and economic recovery.

This obsession with sexuality and lack of your privacy is fueled by tax free dollars from all right wing Christian fundamentalists. The Mormons and their millions to pass Prop 8 against gay marriage in California, was to mask widespread, to this day, polygamy in Utah and several other western high Mormon population states.

The Catholics channeling money into hate non-profits with the Mormons and fundamentalists, in conjunction with the Manhattan Declaration covenant (Coven), in this case victimizing children of LGBT parents, masks the ongoing confused sexual identity of the clergy and teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

Mormons in Secret Merger Talks with Catholics

An internal coup has happened in Temple Sqaure since its temporary approval of gays rights within Salt Lake City limits? Remorse. Regress. Stop the madness!

I guess the magic, Black magic? of re-baptizing all my dead Catholic relatives has brought the Vatican round to recognize the one true magical kingdom in Utah.

For a second there, I thought I saw the word merger between these great noble institutions in America. Their “shared moral principals” are no doubt the basis of secret ongoing merger talks. I doubt that it will ever be an outright merger. But I can see Joseph Smith, Prophet and occasional horse thief, being raised to RC sainthood or even Church Father status based on his forged and plagiarized writings.

Thank the white Caucasian God that Solomon Spaulding is long dead. Though I am still in hopes of another Mark David Chapman document to surface saying that Joe Smith on his death bed converted to the one true church via the Jesuits. That would reassure me.

I did not see this in any American MSM, talks being secret you know. I first saw it in the Guardian UK, which because of Britain’s diversity these days and quasi-official Church of England thing, that paper has an excellent daily religion section. I am not certain how the secular atheist New York Times handles religion. It may be in the Arts section with the recipes.

Well anyway, if this is a PR handout, then the American papers did not want to touch a tired old religion story of two dying, declining Old Testament like entities, the Church of LDS and the RC Church America INC.

Searching around I found this breaking story on the Catholic Blogosphere and Utah Newspapers dreaming of glory days past and ahead in current joint efforts with the RC hierarchy.

Merger talks are good. A shrinking believer base makes it necessary. Shared corporate expenses. Shared Hate Non-Profit organizations to push gay-bashing and more restrictions on women’s right to choose.

Mormons, Catholics must defend religious freedom, Cardinal says

PROVO, Utah -- The fight to defend moral principles is linking Mormons and Catholics like never before.

"In recent years, Catholics and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have stood more frequently side by side in the public square to defend human life and dignity," Francis Cardinal George told nearly 12,000 students, faculty and community members gathered Tuesday at BYU.

"I'm personally grateful that after 180 years of living mostly apart from one another, Catholics and Latter-day Saints have begun to see each other as trustworthy partners in defense of shared moral principles."

Mormons and Catholics join forces

Last Tuesday, in a speech called Catholics and Latter-day Saints: partners in the defence of religious freedom, he told an audience that Catholics and Mormons must stand together as a "vital bulwark" against those who wanted to "reduce religion to a purely private reality".

“Trustworthy partners in defense of moral principles” – I heard (a rumor) all the U.S. Bishops have been down to Mississippi and had sex therapy along side Tiger. I am reassured. We would not want to have to share females in all those group marriages in Utah with the paps, would we? Though if you think about it, with polygamy, there are plenty numbers potential in the possible altar boy/future priest category.

“Reduce religion to a purely private reality” – well hell yeah, who wants the Mormons or the RC Catholic bullshit on the public platter. I thought religion was supposed to be private.

If “defense of religious freedom” are the new code words for “forced religion” in the public square – fuck it!.

I am glad that Studebaker and Packard are in secret merger talks. The Mormons and Catholics together really represent the future. Yeah right.

Modern Mormonism and Hate Non-Profits

The traditional Mormon definition of Marriage is one man and one woman and one woman and one woman – back up – sorry that is the old fashioned past Mormon Church. I sincerely think that the majority of Mormons in Utah and their marriages are between one man and one woman. But like the deep seeded façade and denial of what passes for sexuality in the RC church, the mormon church would prefer not to think about Polygamy.

In fact the mechanism at times of the hierarchy of Temple Square operates in a same mindset as the Vatican on certain things and to change the subject when sensitive issues like polygamy or celibacy get interjected into a conversation.

I do not dislike Mormons. I have known some, worked with them and respected their old fashioned sense of right and wrong and morality. But when you try to discuss a full range of topics from the life menu, the light bulb goes out on many subjects. There are many blind spots in the Mormon POV.

The subject of Mormon polygamy gets a boilerplate answer about that was practiced in the early church and on and on and on. I do not like it when people trying to protect their social bubble are willing to exit you, falling into space, from their bubble, when they do not have the social maturity to discuss openly and honestly any subject in the life story.

If it had not been for the political hissy fit of the American extreme conservative establishment in the 23rd Congressional election in upstate New York, I may not be writing this article.

What I don’t like is a mask. I do not like a hidden Vatican style agenda in the politics of the American democracy.

I now see that part of the reason that it was necessary to wage a national campaign of conservative preferences on the ballot – to make choices for local NY state citizens – does in part relate to the religious foibles of the LDS institution in Salt Lake City.

I see that the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), whose mission statement is “Protecting Marriage and the Faith Communities that Sustain It”, has not yet come up with a dollar figure for its involvement in the NY-23 rape of choice – interference – figurative jack booted disruption - for NY citizens in their local election. The Republican candidate, Dede Scozzafava, was way too liberal for national conservative Republicans. That and she had no objections to Gay Marriage.

NOM paid for 160,000 mailings and tens of thousands of robot-calls. NOM is alleged to be a front for the LDS Church in a civil complaint going back to the passing of Proposition 8 in California.

Am I upset that the gay marriage initiative to overturn laws in Maine allowing gay marriage was a success for the carpetbag interests like NOM who financed it – No, I am not upset. It will be on the ballot again and again or passed again in the legislature. The fact that it is on the ballot or has already passed once by the Maine legislature and under the signature of the Governor means that democracy works in this country despite fascist attempts to define or legislate “morality” or manipulate public opinion through fear.

Putting that all aside, let us talk about how besides, Hate Radio, and Hate News – we now have Hate NPOs ( Non-Profit Organizations like NOM ) that have special tax status and are a conduit for money laundering all around the conservative circuit and whereby donations remain anonymous. I don’t care if these NPOs finance anything, it is the mask that bothers me and how tax free religions can act as non profits and impose by $$$$ their religious philosophies on all of us in the political arena. It goes against the foundation stone principle of separation of church and state.

So in case anybody is wondering why the Mormons are spending tens of millions protecting marriage between a man and a woman one only has to look at a timeline to perhaps see real intent.

The Jessop fundamentalist LDS cult in Texas got raided in April 2008. The money and signatures for Prop 8 in California materializes in June 2008. The Mormons would rather harass the Gay Dream of Marriage instead of addressing or rescuing these poor women in Texas, these sex slaves and children trapped in medieval dogmatic polygamist bullshit once sanctioned by the lunatic con artist prophet Joseph Smith.

Like most con games, they want you to look away - from Texas. They want to deny that polygamy still exists in Utah and in the West. They want to preserve their perfect little social bubble and blind spots to the outside world.

Whatever. Like I said in my previous article, I in downstate NY did not like what I saw in upstate NY in the NY-23 special election.

Whatever happened to Tolerance. It used to be a Virtue.

Live and learn.