tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3832185204897173677.post8072791056042897794..comments2024-03-16T23:26:48.289-04:00Comments on T C C: Joseph Martino - Scranton - Failed CEOM.McSheahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05809255693603458058noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3832185204897173677.post-75122650643714894542009-09-07T09:56:48.940-04:002009-09-07T09:56:48.940-04:00It's always about the money! Preaching to the ...It's always about the money! Preaching to the choir but we understand the dynamic in play here. The RCC is fading away with the decline of the war generation here in the USA but world wide is where the future treasure lies. The well and the mines are going dry in coal country but greener pastures beckon Joe the Pope and his minions.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3832185204897173677.post-75204827456507879942009-09-05T19:43:53.827-04:002009-09-05T19:43:53.827-04:00The Bishop's resignation and the flock rebelli...The Bishop's resignation and the flock rebellion have very little or nothing to do with abortion rights, gay rights, or anyone's rights. I'm from Scranton. There are ethnic churches and bars on every corner (Polish, Italian, Russian, Irish, etc.) The Polish people don't go to the Irish church and vice versa. The economy of Scranton has tanked. The population is shrinking and aging. There are no more priests coming through the pipeline. The Bishop has been closing and consilidating the cas-starved ethnic churches and schools, and grandma and grandpa rebelled. No one will give to the Bishop's appeal when their favorite church is being closed, and their favorite priest has been transferred. The Bishop was forced out by the flock (and I wonder if he was told to resign because revenues are down!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3832185204897173677.post-7411637707143023332009-09-04T18:16:25.046-04:002009-09-04T18:16:25.046-04:00Dying or morphing into something new and exciting?...Dying or morphing into something new and exciting? That which is irrelevant is doomed to fade away and be replaced by better ideas. Inter-faith efforts are afoot and that is where the next great ideas will come from unless we destroy ourselves thru fundamentalism and fear. Nowhere in the Koran does it say that a muslim is to convert the non-believer! That is right wing hate speak. God is father of us all..and we better grasp the idea soon.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3832185204897173677.post-17003360309537896832009-09-04T18:06:22.175-04:002009-09-04T18:06:22.175-04:00What more would you want from Spong? Throwing open...What more would you want from Spong? Throwing open the curtains is no small feat and yet you want more? He has exposed a dead end in the road..now it's up to each of us to chart another course. Just because he doesn't point the way is no reason to down grade what he's done. A brilliant mind.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3832185204897173677.post-31572417911746223232009-09-04T07:05:29.750-04:002009-09-04T07:05:29.750-04:00Good points.
There are two levels of the churche...Good points. <br /><br />There are two levels of the churches worldwide. One would assume that one level should lead the way into a future, bleak or not. The Spong stuff has no real suggestions for change beyond the poetic level. <br /><br />Just because the old Edsel model sells well in a non-european setting does not mean that the front office company is in healthy economic or spiritual mode.<br /><br />The Christian church dies and is reborn about every five hundred years. I would hope that its rebirth in the next century does not restart for a ground zero but is resurrected with a viable gameplan and business model that values humanity, the here and now with social justice, more than it currently seems to.<br /> <br />As for ole Joe Martino, the washing of blood off one’s hands seems to be a standard front office business practice with that exclusive males only Bishop’s club.M.McSheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05809255693603458058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3832185204897173677.post-27419302614054529472009-09-03T21:30:40.904-04:002009-09-03T21:30:40.904-04:00It seems like you often equate the decline of the ...It seems like you often equate the decline of the American Catholic Church with the decline of the RCC. American Catholics only comprise about 5% of the world's Catholics, so if the American Church falls off a cliff that does not necessarily entail doom and gloom for the RCC.<br /> The fact of the matter is that most Catholics the world over are content with the teachings of the Church, and the portions of the Church that are growing the fastest are those that are the most traditional and orthodox. That is simply an uncontestable fact. <br /> The ECUSA has embraced the "glories" of supposed inclusiveness and diversity, radical feminism. abortion, women priests, gay clergy, contraception, and the de-dogmatazation of the Faith so that almost anything can be believed in "good conscience". And what about their growth? Where is the vibrant growth and vigor of youth in the ECUSA or any other heterodox or so-called liberal Christian group? It seems like heterodox Christianity is about the most boring place one could find oneself, where nothing really matters, nothing is really true, where Christ is not really God, where we all talk about how much we luv eachother (unless one happens to be in the womb), and the only creed is that there is none. For all this Spong like talk of "Christianity must change or die", all I seem to see is that those who have changed the most are dying the fastest. <br /> As to +Martino, he was like an elephant in a china shop, not really that tactful. Yet how many current American Bishops allowed so much abuse to take place, and are still Bishops in "good standing". It seems a bit absurd if he was pressured hard behind the scenes to resign, yet all these other Bishops with real "blood on their hands" quietly resume to hang in their chanceries. <br /> I hope that all my quotation marks and all the rest didn't drive you crazy as a writer. It is a quirk I inherited from my father, and I can't quite seem to beat it.Peterhttp://www.dawnofall.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com